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Traveller-digest     Sunday, December 19 1999     Volume 1999 : Number 1529<BR>
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All rights reserved.<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
<BR>
Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
Re: OT US Gun Control C**P on TML<BR>
Re: Re Rations<BR>
Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
101 Freshers<BR>
Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1517<BR>
Re:Asteroids (was Mars)<BR>
Re Ethnic Confusion<BR>
Re: Ethnic confusion<BR>
Re: Re Translations<BR>
New site for THUDDD 10<BR>
Re: Mars exploration<BR>
Gun Control or No<BR>
Gun Control - KNOCK IT OFF!<BR>
Merging the US and Canada (was: Mergins the US and Canada :-)<BR>
WARNING:  Punning in Progress (Re: Silly Traveller)<BR>
Re: Thunder Child (was re: They're coming (again))<BR>
Re: Merging the US and Canada (was: Mergins the US and Canada :-)<BR>
Re: Mistranslating the Ten Commandments<BR>
Re: WARNING:  Punning in Progress (Re: Silly Traveller)<BR>
Re: WARNING:  Punning in Progress (Re: Silly Traveller)<BR>
Re: Marines & Cutlasses<BR>
Re: Hello and TNE question <BR>
Re: Hello and TNE question<BR>
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Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 00:55:49 +0000<BR>
From: SD Mooney <dom@cybergoths.u-net.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
<BR>
At 16:10 -0500 18/12/99, "i Steve" <isteve1967@hotmail.com> wrote:<BR>
> >         Go ohm with the puns already....<BR>
> ><BR>
>OK, that's enough now - that's my second keyboard this week.  Put the puns<BR>
>down, step away from the puns....<BR>
<BR>
<Tongue in Cheek><BR>
<BR>
Argh! Not another PUN CONTROL flame war.....<BR>
<BR>
</Tongue in Cheek><BR>
<BR>
Dom<BR>
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Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 00:59:40 +0000<BR>
From: SD Mooney <dom@cybergoths.u-net.com><BR>
Subject: Re: OT US Gun Control C**P on TML<BR>
<BR>
At 16:10 -0500 18/12/99, "Jason T. Barnabas" <cybernaut@netzero.net> wrote:<BR>
>SD Mooney <dom@cybergoths.u-net.com> wrote:<BR>
> > <RANT><BR>
><snip><BR>
> > </RANT><BR>
> ><BR>
> > That feels better ;-)<BR>
><BR>
>Gosh Dom, don't hold back, tell us how you really feel.  :-)<BR>
<BR>
Well, now you mention it..... ;-)<BR>
<BR>
I'll just go to bed instead so I can get up bright and early and post <BR>
the free scenario on the BITS website.<BR>
<BR>
Dom<BR>
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 17:05:10 -0800<BR>
From: "James W. Lindsay" <jlindsay@home.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Re Rations<BR>
<BR>
On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 19:08:18 +0000, SD Mooney wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> At 11:36 -0500 18/12/99, "shadowcat" <meow@advancenet.net> wrote:<BR>
> >What Doug? your not willing to plunge the depths required for such<BR>
> >a strange project, we need to find another loo-se canon to write it<BR>
> >then, I'm feeling kinda flushed about it myself.<BR>
> <BR>
> Arrrrggggggggghhhhhhhh!<BR>
<BR>
Dom must be out of TP.  Can anyone "spare a square"?<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 20:30:27 -0500<BR>
From: "Chris Seamans" <semo@pil.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
<BR>
From: Michel Vaillancourt <misha@empire.atlantic-online.ns.ca><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>         Go ohm with the puns already....<BR>
<BR>
So, watt exactly are you trying to tell me?<BR>
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 20:53:39 EST<BR>
From: GDWGAMES@aol.com<BR>
Subject: 101 Freshers<BR>
<BR>
In a message dated 99-12-18 14:09:50 EST, you write:<BR>
<BR>
<< Still - it does open up a whole new can (sorry) of worms.  How do the<BR>
 various races...um...well...go? >><BR>
<BR>
We had Glenn Grant execute a drawing illustrating this dilemma for the <BR>
upcoming Starports book. Otherwise we dodge the question. Like sex and <BR>
religion, this is left up to the individual perver...er...pervects to decide.<BR>
<BR>
LKW<BR>
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Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 12:55:32 +1100<BR>
From: "Jim & Peta Lawrie" <jimpeta@primus.com.au><BR>
Subject: Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1517<BR>
<BR>
IIRC he was grabbed, but as he was mentally disturbed he was put into<BR>
the mental health system, that then released him (proably from lack of<BR>
money). It seems to be a trend to do this, and then blame the results<BR>
on the guns, not the lack of mental health funding. Certainly here in<BR>
NZ we've been having an upsurge of disturbed people being shot by the<BR>
police (though the police have also been taking a more aggresive<BR>
attitude) because they've been thrown out of the system.<BR>
Rupert Boleyn <paradise.net.nz><BR>
<BR>
    Exactly, the radical cutback in mental health beds in Australia is the<BR>
real issue that the Human Rights guys are avoiding. No one in Australia is<BR>
as disadvantaged as the mentally ill, all they want is to be able to<BR>
function in the community not be thrown into it untreated.<BR>
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 17:18:40 -0900<BR>
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
Subject: Re:Asteroids (was Mars)<BR>
<BR>
><BR>
>Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 13:09:54 -0800<BR>
>From: "Jason T. Barnabas" <cybernaut@netzero.net><BR>
>Subject: Re: Mars exploration<BR>
><BR>
>Steve Noe <fusilier@mindspring.com> wrote:<BR>
>> We'll be in space for good when somebody can make a profit, other than<BR>
>> selling launch vehicles or comsats.<BR>
><BR>
>Speaking of making a profit in space.  Is there anything<BR>
>about asteroid mining in Traveller?  I seem to remember<BR>
>a flow-chart kind of thing in one of the TAS issues.  I<BR>
>believe that it even made it into one of the Best Of TAS<BR>
>issues.  Has there ever been anything official in the way<BR>
>of Asteroid Mining in any of the Traveller incarnations?<BR>
>- --<BR>
>Jason<BR>
<BR>
There was the process in Best of JTAS vol 1. There was a similar (but more<BR>
detailed) process in Beltstrike. I've not seen any other systems for belter<BR>
action.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 17:40:20 -0900<BR>
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
Subject: Re Ethnic Confusion<BR>
<BR>
>All told...has it been specifically stated that ALL human races in the OTU<BR>
>can interbreed with each other...Solomani, Vilani, Zhodani, and all the<BR>
>rest?<BR>
><BR>
>- --<BR>
>Josh<BR>
<BR>
We know that Solomani and Vilani can interbreed, assuming you accept DGP<BR>
materials; The vilani purity table was a dead giveaway. We know that there<BR>
are individuals of Mixed solomani ancestry (AM Solomani, GDW). We know that<BR>
you can tell zhodani purebreed and solomani purebreed apart by counting<BR>
teeth. Since we never saw an AM Vilani from GDW, their details are a little<BR>
fuzzier.<BR>
<BR>
Darrians are a human minor race, too. Even if they do show some 40-50<BR>
thousand years adaptations (or more). We know that they can interbreed, but<BR>
we are not shown (in AM 8, nor elsewhere I have seen) 2nd generation<BR>
hybrids.<BR>
<BR>
We are not shown in GDW materials any other specific human minors of note<BR>
in detail; The hlasani are not humaniti. We are told there are others, but<BR>
not shown details of any of them.<BR>
<BR>
We are shown a human minor race whose differences are the matter of having<BR>
been adapted to by a symbiote, the result is a "shaggy", whose fur is the<BR>
xenofungi symbiote; it protects the human host from the local atmospheric<BR>
taint, and draws sustinence through the human. It also suppresses the human<BR>
intellect.<BR>
<BR>
If one accepts the DGP materials, then we see several more human minors.<BR>
The Jonkereen are the only ones I know to have been fully detailed,<BR>
however.<BR>
<BR>
Unfortunately, we have seen references to several distinct groups of human<BR>
minors races, but not had them detailed by DGP.<BR>
<BR>
Peter Newman's work in my campaign (and after) on one human minor show the<BR>
difficulties; he's still trying to add to them. Their canon reference is a<BR>
one-liner. (I have temporarily blanked on the race's name.) Likewise, the<BR>
Geonee, in canon, have many references, but no details.<BR>
<BR>
Several third party supplements have referenced human minors; Judges guild<BR>
had at least 3 human minors with only slightly more detail than the canon<BR>
references to the Geonee... but at least JG specified their homeworlds....<BR>
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 21:48:39 EST<BR>
From: JFZeigler@aol.com<BR>
Subject: Re: Ethnic confusion<BR>
<BR>
In a message dated 12/18/99 6:43:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, <BR>
macmanjws@earthlink.net writes:<BR>
<BR>
> All told...has it been specifically stated that ALL human races in the OTU<BR>
>  can interbreed with each other...Solomani, Vilani, Zhodani, and all the<BR>
>  rest?<BR>
<BR>
I've never been able to find such a statement.  FWIW, I've got something<BR>
in the draft Solomani Rim book that says that all known human races<BR>
can interbreed -- although sometimes it's with difficulty or it requires<BR>
medical intervention.<BR>
<BR>
(Of course, the canonical material on the Zhodani *does* use a different<BR>
taxonomy for them than for, say, Solomani. . .)<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 21:59:46 -0500<BR>
From: "Chris Seamans" <semo@pil.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Re Translations<BR>
<BR>
Leonard said:<BR>
<BR>
> >Urban legend. Much as members of the Wiccan community would<BR>
> >like that to be true, it isn't. However, the type of "magic practioner"<BR>
> >translated as "witch" wasn't much like we'd consider a "witch".<BR>
<BR>
William F. Hostman said:<BR>
<BR>
> Funny, I originally heard this translational problem from Rev Donald<BR>
> Bramble, OP, and confirmed by Rev. John Fearon, OP: "Thou Shalt<BR>
>not suffer a poisoner of wells to live" is more accurate than "witch".<BR>
>I've also encountered this since from many jews, and had one show<BR>
>me in a translation/dual language edition of the Torah this particular<BR>
>turn of phrase.<BR>
<BR>
Actually, you're both right... sort of. The Hebrew word is, if I remember<BR>
correctly, "kashaph" (I'm spelling it from memory here, I'll take<BR>
responsibility for any errors), which does mean poisoner, as well as<BR>
magician or sorceror. One thing about languages, which people who point out<BR>
mistranslations usually forget, is that words can have several different<BR>
meanings and connotations in a given language.<BR>
<BR>
The "poisoner of wells" bit stems back to one particular 16th or 17th<BR>
century book ("The Discovery of Witches", maybe) in which there is a bit of<BR>
speculation about the meaning of the word. I'm going from memory here.<BR>
Perhaps Kiri, our resident expert on this subject, might be able to shed<BR>
some light on the subject.<BR>
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 18:58:48 -0800<BR>
From: "Jason T. Barnabas" <cybernaut@netzero.net><BR>
Subject: New site for THUDDD 10<BR>
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 23:08:43 -0400<BR>
From: Michel Vaillancourt <misha@empire.atlantic-online.ns.ca><BR>
Subject: Re: Mars exploration<BR>
<BR>
At 01:09 PM 12/18/99 -0800, you wrote:<BR>
>Steve Noe <fusilier@mindspring.com> wrote:<BR>
>> We'll be in space for good when somebody can make a profit, other than<BR>
>> selling launch vehicles or comsats.<BR>
><BR>
>Speaking of making a profit in space.  Is there anything<BR>
>about asteroid mining in Traveller?  I seem to remember<BR>
>a flow-chart kind of thing in one of the TAS issues.  I<BR>
>believe that it even made it into one of the Best Of TAS<BR>
>issues.  Has there ever been anything official in the way<BR>
>of Asteroid Mining in any of the Traveller incarnations?<BR>
>--<BR>
>Jason<BR>
<BR>
        Hi, Jason!<BR>
        There are two answers:  1)  The RealWorld(tm) answer, and 2) the<BR>
"yeah, that can be role-played" answer.  Leonard and I hashed this out<BR>
sometime ago.  If you opt for "1" the short version is that its *really*<BR>
dull  to play out and probably not worth doing...  if you opt for "2", I<BR>
have a set of proposed rules on my website (see URL below) that seems to<BR>
work out in favor of an experienced belter being able to stay ahead of the<BR>
bank on a year-to-year basis.<BR>
<BR>
        --Michel<BR>
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 22:31:16 -0500<BR>
From: "David L. Pulver" <dlpulver@kos.net><BR>
Subject: Gun Control or No<BR>
<BR>
>From: "Jason T. Barnabas" <cybernaut@netzero.net><BR>
>Subject: Gun Control or No (was: Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1517)<BR>
>David, I have tried to be patient with you, because this is<BR>
>a very emotional issue for some; however, you have<BR>
>attacked the opposition in this thread, rather than offering<BR>
>reasoned answers to thier arguements. <BR>
<BR>
If anything I said can be construed as an "attack" that offended you, I<BR>
apologize.  Some things that seem to be reasoned answers to people who hold<BR>
strong beliefs may seem completely unreasonable to those who hold diverging<BR>
viewpoints. If you do feel a need to continue the discussion, feel free to<BR>
email me privately.<BR>
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 22:37:09 -0500<BR>
From: Jeff Zeitlin <jzeitlin@cyburban.com><BR>
Subject: Gun Control - KNOCK IT OFF!<BR>
<BR>
I have never had any problem discussing gun control or other<BR>
government stupidities.  I am very opinionated on the matter of<BR>
the Constitution of the United States, and I can argue my views<BR>
cogently and intelligently, without resorting to ad hominems.  I<BR>
do so regularly, both in my workplace and in conversations with<BR>
my father and my friends.<BR>
<BR>
I had a perfect opportunity to do so here a few days ago.<BR>
However, this is the Traveller Mailing List, and gun control in<BR>
the United States of America is not the topic of the list<BR>
(although gun control on Ruie, Muan Gwi, Sylea, or Dlan might<BR>
very well be).  I therefore chose to send my response to the<BR>
poster privately.  We have since had an enlightening discussion<BR>
via private mail, in greater depth than would be convenient or<BR>
comfortable here.  I urge the members of this list who are<BR>
interested in pursuing this non-Traveller discussion to follow<BR>
suit.<BR>
<BR>
Naturally, if a discussion on gun control or other government<BR>
stupidities in a Traveller environment were to start here, I<BR>
would, with great enthusiasm, contribute appropriate amounts of<BR>
gasoline, napalm, and other similarly appropriate substances,<BR>
with the intent of encouraging such discussion.  But only in a<BR>
Traveller context, please.<BR>
<BR>
I trust I have made my point clearly and inoffensively.<BR>
- --<BR>
Jeff Zeitlin<BR>
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 22:42:25 -0500 (EST)<BR>
From: Charles Collin <charles@hebb.psych.mcgill.ca><BR>
Subject: Merging the US and Canada (was: Mergins the US and Canada :-)<BR>
<BR>
	I've seen this notion of the US and Canada pop up in a number of<BR>
SF futures.  Shadowrun for one had some of the central eastern states and<BR>
provinces join together.  Personally I seriously doubt that Canada would<BR>
voluntarily choose to join with the US.  Despite issues about "national<BR>
identity crises" and so on, we're generally quite proud of our vast<BR>
wasteland (and hey, we've been #1 on the UN's list of "countries that are<BR>
good to live in" for what, four years in a row now? :-). <BR>
<BR>
	As for military take-over, I sometimes wonder why it hasn't<BR>
happened yet.  No offence to our army men (both of you) but it would be<BR>
something of a cake-walk for the U.S. to take over Canada.  Apparently<BR>
plans have been drawn up on both sides of the border for just such an<BR>
eventuality.  The Canadian side would be trying a retreating defense and<BR>
guerilla tactics until (hopefully) someone else came to help us.  At the<BR>
moment, there is no political or economic incentive for the US to do this,<BR>
of course, but at times in the past there has been sufficient tension. <BR>
Luckily Britain was a bigger power at the time and was protecting us.  Do<BR>
I remeber correctly that there is an American founding document (I don't<BR>
think the constitution itself, but soemthing related) that specifically<BR>
allows for Canadian provinces to becomes states? <BR>
<BR>
	Another possibility which has been mentioned is the seperation of<BR>
Quebec leading the maritimes to joine the US.  I really don't see why this<BR>
would be the case.  Alaska is physically seperate from the 48 continental<BR>
states, but it doesn't get any sudden urges to join Canada or Russia.<BR>
Presumably post-seperation relations between Canada and Quebec would be<BR>
reasonably peaceful (though tense), allowing Canadian cargoes through and<BR>
so on. Given that Quebec would seek to join NAFTA (it would have to, to<BR>
avoid even worse economic consequences than would already arise from<BR>
seperation)  flow of goods and political power to the maritimes should be<BR>
pretty smooth.<BR>
<BR>
	The most likely scenario I see, given the present trend towards<BR>
everyone wanting their own individual state ("The Republic of Bob", "The<BR>
Republic of Tracy"...), is a fragmentation of Canada and perhaps the US as<BR>
well into a number of independent states within a free-trade zone.  I<BR>
could see a seperate Quebec, perhaps a seperate B.C/Alberta and maybe a<BR>
seperate Texas (Not sure about the modern realism of the last, but it has<BR>
been the case before, correct?).  Not that I want any of this, I think<BR>
Quebec would be economically shooting itself in the foot (or maybe the<BR>
head) by seperating.<BR>
<BR>
Oops, this has gotten to be a lengthy off-topic post.  Focus! Focus!<BR>
<BR>
Charles C.<BR>
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 23:40:19 -0400<BR>
From: Michel Vaillancourt <misha@empire.atlantic-online.ns.ca><BR>
Subject: WARNING:  Punning in Progress (Re: Silly Traveller)<BR>
<BR>
At 08:30 PM 12/18/99 -0500, you wrote:<BR>
><BR>
>>         Go ohm with the puns already....<BR>
><BR>
>So, watt exactly are you trying to tell me?<BR>
><BR>
        Simply that y'all exceding my capacitance for this sort of thing.<BR>
These puns is beginning to hertz us...<BR>
<BR>
        --Michel<BR>
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Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 16:47:54 +1300<BR>
From: "Rupert Boleyn" <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz><BR>
Subject: Re: Thunder Child (was re: They're coming (again))<BR>
<BR>
On 19 Dec 99, at 9:56, Frank Pitt wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> That is, assuming they could be crewed and put to sea on time. The whole<BR>
> idea of 24-hour readiness for military units not in hostile terrain didn't<BR>
> catch on until much later.<BR>
<BR>
It still hasn't caught on everywhere. I shudder to think how long it'd <BR>
take some of our units to be combat ready.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 21:47:44 -0600<BR>
From: "Thomas Vickers" <redroach@flex.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Merging the US and Canada (was: Mergins the US and Canada :-)<BR>
<BR>
and maybe a<BR>
>seperate Texas (Not sure about the modern realism of the last, but it has<BR>
>been the case before, correct<BR>
<BR>
This brings to mind some questions about the 3I and guidelines for worlds<BR>
that join.<BR>
<BR>
Texas was indeed an independent Republic at one time. We managed to make a<BR>
go of it for nearly 10 years, then due to the political beliefs of our<BR>
leadership and the economic bungling of other leaders, we joined the US.<BR>
Despite claims by fringe groups  here in Texas, it was  all nice and legal.<BR>
<BR>
Now, Texas does have a unique deal with the US. We gave up a slice of<BR>
territory (parts of New Mexico and Colorado) in exchange for our debts being<BR>
paid off. Texas also maintains the rights to its offshore mineral reserves<BR>
and other nice little goodies thrown in to make our side of the bargain<BR>
fairly sweet.<BR>
<BR>
Now, will the 3I make special deals with worlds that are of strategic<BR>
importance?<BR>
<BR>
If you are a border world/state with the Zho's or someone else and the 3I<BR>
would love to have you join, will they cut your world a good deal?<BR>
<BR>
Any canon references to such a situation?<BR>
<BR>
TV<BR>
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 23:17:11 -0500<BR>
From: Jeff Zeitlin <jzeitlin@cyburban.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Mistranslating the Ten Commandments<BR>
<BR>
On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 20:01:17 -0500 (EST), "Chris Seamans"<BR>
<semo@pil.net> wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>From: David J. Golden <goldendj@pcisys.net><BR>
<BR>
>> Interesting ... never heard this one. Any reason it hasn't been<BR>
>> corrected in any of the umpteen updated and redone translations<BR>
>>since KJ? My copy of the NRSV still has it steal/covet ...<BR>
<BR>
>My own bet is that it's not a *complete* mistranslation, probably more along<BR>
>the lines that the words in the original text are such that an ambiguity in<BR>
>translation is possible. I remember reading that one of the terms for God in<BR>
>the Old Testament can be translated as singular or plural, for example,<BR>
>which has caused some people to say that a single God is a mistranslation.<BR>
<BR>
>I don't know enough beyond that to chime in.<BR>
<BR>
You're pretty close - Hebrew and Aramaic were generally not (and<BR>
still generally are not) written with vowels indicated.  Instead,<BR>
words were indicated with a series of consonants carrying a<BR>
specified general meaning, and context was supposed to establish<BR>
which vowels - and therefore which specific meaning - actually<BR>
occurred.  For example, KTB is the root pertaining to writing;<BR>
specifics are KaTaB, the verb "to write", KoTa~B, "writer",<BR>
K'TyBaH, "writing" (as in "thing written"), and so on.  Now,<BR>
"witch" is MK.S., which is also the root for "magician",<BR>
"tool/instrument", and "stumbling block" in my bad bilingual<BR>
Hebrew dictionary - and I don't know what else would turn up in a<BR>
good one, though I would not find it surprising for "poison" to<BR>
be among them. ("Suffer not a stumbling block to live"?  Sounds<BR>
good to me; it gives me an excuse to go postal on some of the<BR>
turds that work at MISD...)<BR>
<BR>
Incidentally, the specific example you gave, about the word for<BR>
G-d being either singular or plural, is also correct; the word<BR>
"Elohim" is grammatically male-plural - but I believe that the<BR>
singular form, "Elohay" is female.  So add _that_ to the<BR>
"confusion"!<BR>
<BR>
(Jeff notes that he should absolutely _not_ be posting this kind<BR>
of thing where Kenji can read it, because Kenji is far more<BR>
warped than Jeff could ever be, and will find _some_ way to use<BR>
it to murder yet _another_ innocent keyboard...)<BR>
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 22:21:44 -0600<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
Subject: Re: WARNING:  Punning in Progress (Re: Silly Traveller)<BR>
<BR>
Michel Vaillancourt wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> At 08:30 PM 12/18/99 -0500, you wrote:<BR>
> ><BR>
> >>         Go ohm with the puns already....<BR>
> ><BR>
> >So, watt exactly are you trying to tell me?<BR>
> ><BR>
>         Simply that y'all exceding my capacitance for this sort of thing.<BR>
> These puns is beginning to hertz us...<BR>
<BR>
Wire you displaying such resistance to these puns?<BR>
<BR>
_I_ think they're displaying the spark of inspiration....<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 00:19:54 -0400<BR>
From: Michel Vaillancourt <misha@empire.atlantic-online.ns.ca><BR>
Subject: Re: WARNING:  Punning in Progress (Re: Silly Traveller)<BR>
<BR>
At 10:21 PM 12/18/99 -0600, you wrote:<BR>
>> >So, watt exactly are you trying to tell me?<BR>
>> ><BR>
>>         Simply that y'all exceding my capacitance for this sort of thing.<BR>
>> These puns is beginning to hertz us...<BR>
><BR>
>Wire you displaying such resistance to these puns?<BR>
><BR>
>_I_ think they're displaying the spark of inspiration....<BR>
><BR>
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Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 04:47:23 GMT<BR>
From: j_pete@bellsouth.net (Pete)<BR>
Subject: Re: Marines & Cutlasses<BR>
<BR>
On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:56:51, "Douglas E. Berry"<BR>
<gridlore@pop.mindspring.com> wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>>    Okay! Okay! The marines used the Cutlass, that's a given. My point was<BR>
>>that the Navy used it for about five time longer but they don't seem<BR>
>>interested in it.<BR>
><BR>
>To dirty and common for the Mighty (shiny) Imperial Fleet!<BR>
<BR>
Yeah, prissy Navy boys don't want to touch anything after a Marine's<BR>
used it. Well, who could really blame 'em? ;-)<BR>
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 21:52:45 -0700<BR>
From: "Keven R. Pittsinger" <jamstar@ctaz.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Hello and TNE question <BR>
<BR>
> Hi all, I'm back after a few months absence. I was previosuly subscribed under mmckeown@hotmail. I just voted on Mark Millers site for favorite traveller system..I found I was in the distinct MINORITY :) <BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> I have a TNE question...was there a "ship" book for the system? Like supp. 7 or 9 for CT?<BR>
<BR>
It's called 'Fire, Fusion, and Steel'.  And it talks about all kinda tech.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 23:14:42 -0600<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Hello and TNE question<BR>
<BR>
"Keven R. Pittsinger" wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> > Hi all, I'm back after a few months absence. I was previosuly subscribed under mmckeown@hotmail. I just voted on Mark Millers site for favorite traveller system..I found I was in the distinct MINORITY :)<BR>
> ><BR>
> ><BR>
> > I have a TNE question...was there a "ship" book for the system? Like supp. 7 or 9 for CT?<BR>
> <BR>
> It's called 'Fire, Fusion, and Steel'.  And it talks about all kinda tech.<BR>
<BR>
The game "Brilliant Lances" also includes a number of ship descriptions<BR>
and stats.  The largest ship provided is the _Midu Agashaam_-class<BR>
destroyer (3000 dtons).<BR>
<BR>
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